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==Peer review==
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great history and function sections. a couple of issues however in the whole page:
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- Under the structure section, the first sentenced is referenced with “Dinkla et al.”. This should be made a footnote and have date attached. Remember it doesn’t have to be a pubmed affiliated article to be made a footnote just put in “[1]” - Under membrane composition, it seems you’ve tried to encorporate a subsection “defgormity /fluidity. This looks tacky with just a dash. I suggest making it bold. Just add 3 apotrophes before and after.
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        i.e. if I want the word “bold” to be bold, I would write ‘’’ bold ’’’.
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- I would have wanted to read much more about ABO blood grouping, there isn’t much there, you should also incorporate pictures here. This could be a whole section! - Another seriously important factor of RBCs is that they have a Fc receptor and can carry immune complexes to spleen or liver. The immune function of RBCs is not really touched on, and that’s a major issue.
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===group 3: B cell lymphocytes
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A lot of good quality information but a very bland page. Here are some notes:
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- History is not very extensive - B-cell development and B cell subset image is very small! I would make it twice as large (800px). And maybe describe it in text more - Section: development, 3rd paragraph: spelling error - Instead of using in text referencing, you should use footnotes (easier for the reader to find the references). Remember it doesn’t have to be a pubmed affiliated article to be made a footnote, just put in “[2]” - Section: development. You introduce the term L chains with no description, the reader may have no idea what that is. Make sure you describe newly introduced terms! - There is an underwhelming amount of images used. Images should be used for: o B cell activation o Mind map of different B cells o Different antibodies - Tables are bland as well, try adding some colour! - Evidently you must finish the immunodeficiency/ and b cell cancer sections! - Also go into more depth about the biotechnology applications of B cells and don’t forget references!
  
 
== Project sub-topic ==
 
== Project sub-topic ==

Revision as of 10:53, 10 May 2016

2016 Projects: Group 1 | Group 2 | Group 3 | Group 4 | Group 5 | Group 6 | Group 7
Group Projects - Blood Cell Biology - Updated 21 April  
This year's main topic is Blood Cell Biology. Each group should discuss with group members the specific sub-topic that will be covered by their project.

Here is a list of some of the cell types (Structure and Function)

PuMed citations PuMed Central citations PuMed Central note
Note - that while full publications are available online at PuMed Central, not all these publications allow reuse. You should still always identify the copyright statement within the actual article that allows reuse. Many research labs that receive government grants are required to make their published research available on PMC, this does not mean that the publicly available copy content can be used in your projects.

Remember - No easily identifiable statement usually means that you cannot reuse.


Examples from Megakaryocyte references on PubMed Central

Embryology - content cannot be reused but a useful resource about cell development.

Histology - images these can be reused in your projects.

Group Assessment Criteria  

Group Assessment Criteria

  1. The key points relating to the topic that your group allocated are clearly described.
  2. The choice of content, headings and sub-headings, diagrams, tables, graphs show a good understanding of the topic area.
  3. Content is correctly cited and referenced.
  4. The wiki has an element of teaching at a peer level using the student's own innovative diagrams, tables or figures and/or using interesting examples or explanations.
  5. Evidence of significant research relating to basic and applied sciences that goes beyond the formal teaching activities.
  6. Relates the topic and content of the Wiki entry to learning aims of cell biology.
  7. Clearly reflects on editing/feedback from group peers and articulates how the Wiki could be improved (or not) based on peer comments/feedback. Demonstrates an ability to review own work when criticised in an open edited wiki format. Reflects on what was learned from the process of editing a peer's wiki.
  8. Evaluates own performance and that of group peers to give a rounded summary of this wiki process in terms of group effort and achievement.
  9. The content of the wiki should demonstrate to the reader that your group has researched adequately on this topic and covered the key areas necessary to inform your peers in their learning.
  10. Develops and edits the wiki entries in accordance with the above guidelines.

Group 2: User:Z5018320 | User:Z5015980 | User:Z3376375 | User:Z3461106

Peer review

z3463953

great history and function sections. a couple of issues however in the whole page: - Under the structure section, the first sentenced is referenced with “Dinkla et al.”. This should be made a footnote and have date attached. Remember it doesn’t have to be a pubmed affiliated article to be made a footnote just put in “[1]” - Under membrane composition, it seems you’ve tried to encorporate a subsection “defgormity /fluidity. This looks tacky with just a dash. I suggest making it bold. Just add 3 apotrophes before and after.

       	i.e. if I want the word “bold” to be bold, I would write ‘’’ bold ’’’. 

- I would have wanted to read much more about ABO blood grouping, there isn’t much there, you should also incorporate pictures here. This could be a whole section! - Another seriously important factor of RBCs is that they have a Fc receptor and can carry immune complexes to spleen or liver. The immune function of RBCs is not really touched on, and that’s a major issue. ===group 3: B cell lymphocytes A lot of good quality information but a very bland page. Here are some notes: - History is not very extensive - B-cell development and B cell subset image is very small! I would make it twice as large (800px). And maybe describe it in text more - Section: development, 3rd paragraph: spelling error - Instead of using in text referencing, you should use footnotes (easier for the reader to find the references). Remember it doesn’t have to be a pubmed affiliated article to be made a footnote, just put in “[2]” - Section: development. You introduce the term L chains with no description, the reader may have no idea what that is. Make sure you describe newly introduced terms! - There is an underwhelming amount of images used. Images should be used for: o B cell activation o Mind map of different B cells o Different antibodies - Tables are bland as well, try adding some colour! - Evidently you must finish the immunodeficiency/ and b cell cancer sections! - Also go into more depth about the biotechnology applications of B cells and don’t forget references!

Project sub-topic

Z5018320 (talk) 18:04, 22 March 2016 (AEDT)Hi guys! So are we supposed to choose a sub-topic from the list of blood cell types provided?

Z5015980 (talk) 18:13, 22 March 2016 (AEDT) hello! Yes we do, is there any topic in particular anyone wanted to do? I am leaning towards red blood cells or the lymphocyte T cell, but all the topics seem pretty good.

Z5018320 (talk) 10:05, 23 March 2016 (AEDT)I'm not fussed, red blood cells or T cells both seem interesting

Z5018320 (talk) 15:36, 23 March 2016 (AEDT) Since we have to put our sub-topic as the heading for the page before tomorrows lab, I'll make it red blood cells since that will likely be a popular choice

Z3376375 (talk) 21:39, 23 March 2016 (AEDT) Yeah I'm down to go with RBC! Btw my name is Popo. Nice to meet y'all :)

Z3376375 (talk) 21:41, 23 March 2016 (AEDT) Sorry I replied so late, got home pretty late! Will do some readings in preparation for our first group meeting tomorrow!

Z5015980 (talk) 23:22, 23 March 2016 (AEDT) also cool to go with RBC

Z3376375 (talk) 11:20, 24 March 2016 (AEDT) The things he brought up :

  • What they do
  • Structure
  • Internal structure
  • How they're manufactured
  • Intermediate cells in development
  • Special features? - granules, exocytic function - antibody production, cell surface markers
  • Who first discovered it?
  • When were they isolated?
  • Project Page : Should be suitable for another university student. As detailed/superficial as you want. Not total simplification.

Z3376375 (talk) 11:44, 24 March 2016 (AEDT) Hey just letting you guys know that I emailed all of our z emails including Z3461106 just to make sure that everyone's on the same page!

Z3376375 (talk) 12:23, 24 March 2016 (AEDT) Can we take images from vslides.unsw.edu.au?

Z3376375 (talk) 12:41, 24 March 2016 (AEDT) We've currently agreed on having some deadlines for tasks that we constantly reassess each week. This is to clarify our expectations for our group and to make sure that we're working towards the group project being finished on time.

Our next deadline is on the Friday, 1st of April. This is is just completing our Lab 3 Individual Assignment. Having our 4 summaries for our 4 chosen research papers uploaded to our page + image so that everyone can reconvene and allocate work evenly.

Before you start reading your research papers and summarizing them, please write what papers you're covering on our discussion pages so we don't overlap! Thanks!

Z5015980 (talk) 15:44, 28 March 2016 (AEDT)sounds good! i think we should be able to use images from vslides, as long as it's referenced

Z5018320 (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2016 (AEDT) Hey, I've taken the liberty of starting the introduction with basic information that will likely be expanded upon in greater detail throughout the page

Z5018320 (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2016 (AEDT) Also don't forget that at least one image on our page must be self-drawn or modified. I was thinking maybe a flow diagram of the life span of RBCs, or perhaps an RBC banner for our page if someone knows how to do that

Z3376375 (talk) 01:22, 1 April 2016 (AEDT) ^ I like this idea of a flow diagram! I'll ask some of my design friends if they can help me out. Also sorry for not getting my research paper summaries up. I will do them tomorrow night! Then we can reassess things on Saturday in terms of where we want to head with this project + allocation of work!

Z5015980 (talk) 23:14, 1 April 2016 (AEDT)yeah the flow diagram sounds good. i'll also have my work up tomorrow morning, sorry for delay had internet issues. I've got an image of a malarial infection on a RBC, not sure if i should add that in because there is already another image up in the disease section, maybe more is good?. Also has there been a reply from the other member (no.4)?

Z5018320 (talk) 11:24, 2 April 2016 (AEDT) I believe we all have to post our images on the project page as well as our personal page, so go ahead. Our 4th group member is actually my friend's brother so I'll ask what he's been up to

Z5015980 (talk) 07:27, 3 April 2016 (AEST)i just added in a link on Eryptosis under that sub heading, thought that article was pretty good. I don't mind writing about that if everyone's cool with it

Z5018320 (talk) 10:17, 3 April 2016 (AEST)I'm happy to work on the history and diseases and abnormalities (and finish the introduction when the time comes) if that's ok

Z5015980 (talk) 10:56, 3 April 2016 (AEST)yeah that's fine, i can do synthesis and regulation and work on current research (i've got an article on that already anyway)

Z3376375 (talk) 15:35, 3 April 2016 (AEST) Alrighties. I've been that guy! Set the deadlines, and come up short on them! Was pulled in for work heaps and didn't manage my time well. I'm locking myself in a cafe away from my work and will be doing all my summaries now, so I'll have all my summaries up tonight! Then I'll read through all of your stuff and begin flushing out some of the parts that you guys haven't covered! Will post up here again when summaries are done! Sorry for lateness!

Z5015980 (talk) 10:45, 5 April 2016 (AEST)is there a date we should set when to get the info done on the page?

Z5018320 (talk) 17:05, 5 April 2016 (AEST) Perhaps by the 29th April (end of week 8) try to do as much as you can since we'll all probably have our hands full with midsems

Z3376375 (talk) 22:56, 5 April 2016 (AEST) Sure. I guess I'll try to cover some of the structure function stuff, since you guys have history, diseases, abnormalities, synthesis and current research. Also any word about/from our 4th member?

Z5018320 (talk) 18:06, 8 April 2016 (AEST) I added an image as a banner for our page, but I'm not sure I really like it. What do you guys think?

Z3461106 (talk) 23:01, 12 April 2016 (AEST) Hey guys, sorry I've been late to the bandwagon. As discussed in Lab 4, I've been assigned to the Structure section and am willing to help in the Diseases and Abnormalities section. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Cheers!

Z5015980 (talk) 17:49, 16 April 2016 (AEST) all good, also the banner is nice

Z5015980 (talk) 11:02, 21 April 2016 (AEST) just searched and found that RBC also have a buffering capability. Is it okay if we add that in under function?

Z3376375 (talk) 12:57, 21 April 2016 (AEST) Yeah love the banner! Some of Mark's feedback : Diagram of a timeline? Histological pictures of their development? How does spleen differentiate red blood cells to recycle them?

Z3376375 (talk) 22:57, 27 April 2016 (AEST) Will be filling in some structure and function stuff before laboratory tomorrow.

Z3461106 (talk) 07:43, 01 May 2016 (AEST) Just letting you guys know that I've updated some more information about the general structure of the erythrocytes and its membrane composition. I've also added some information about the differences between fetal and adult erythrocytes. However, I feel that I'm running into a bit of a pinch when searching for journals with the creative commons license as I find that I commonly need reference to older articles. How do you guys go about this usually?

Z5018320 (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2016 (AEST) From my understanding (and please correct me if i'm wrong) you can reference the information in any journal article regardless of its copyright license. It's only when you want to reuse/reproduce any material (i.e images, figures, or copy/paste a table) that you need to find an article with a creative commons license that lets you do so

Z5015980 (talk) 14:37, 2 May 2016 (AEST) ^ yeah you're correct. I'll have the future research section and the part of the life cycle done by tonight, but i'm still confused about what to include for the self drawn image. I'll ask Mark about my idea to draw out the different stages of RBC development, but not sure if that's enough

Z3376375 (talk) 16:02, 2 May 2016 (AEST) Yup! Only need the creative commons license when you want to reuse/reporduce the material! What stages are you planning to draw out? (I look forward to seeing your drawing!)

Z5018320 (talk) 12:16, 3 May 2016 (AEST) If you happen to find any more historical discoveries related to RBCs during your reading just add them to the table

Z5018320 (talk) 12:41, 3 May 2016 (AEST) Here's an image I found that you could maybe base the drawing on [[1]]

Z3461106 (talk) 21:32, 3 May 2016 (AEST) Thanks guys for your swift replies! And yes, I will make sure to add further history discoveries onto the table if I find any other important events.

Z3376375 (talk) 23:25, 4 May 2016 (AEST) in terms of the drawing that you're planning to do, is it like : Stem Cell --> Progenitor Cells (BFU-E --> CFU-E) --> Precursor Cells --> Mature Cells? that sort of thing?

Z5015980 (talk) 07:42, 5 May 2016 (AEST) i was going to do a drawing of the lifecycle of a RBC, from the bone then spleen etc.

Z3376375 (talk) 11:24, 5 May 2016 (AEST) Right got it! Side note. I can't be with you in the second session of this lab because I was sick and came in late, so Wallace has told me to go with the second group. I am sorry for this inconvenience that I can't work with you guys from 12-1 =/

Z3376375 (talk) 11:56, 5 May 2016 (AEST) Hey also, my plans for some of the function stuff is that I also might do my own diagrams due to the lack of creative commons license on articles (much sadface) and will upload them after peer review session is over. Really hoping that we can balance out the text/image/figures/diagram ratio. Hoping to stay away from hectic blocks of text which I've currently done =[

Research papers

Z5018320 (talk) 11:24, 30 March 2016 (AEDT) <pubmed>26969771</pubmed> <pubmed>22208203</pubmed> <pubmed>25322756</pubmed> <pubmed>26784696</pubmed>


Z5015980 (talk) 09:03, 31 March 2016 (AEDT) <pubmed> 26988297</pubmed> <pubmed>26984406</pubmed> <pubmed>26872376</pubmed> <pubmed>25411230</pubmed>

Z3376375 (talk) 02:15, 7 April 2016 (AEST) <pubmed>24750669</pubmed> <pubmed>18988878</pubmed> <pubmed>24453417</pubmed> <pubmed>23449853</pubmed>

Z3461106 (talk) 23:15, 12 April 2016 (AEST) <pubmed>24453417</pubmed> <pubmed>25676371</pubmed> <pubmed>25048613</pubmed> <pubmed>25280420</pubmed>